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Acceptance of Israel's right to exist in peace is the first of the PLO's obligations in the Oslo accords. In Yasir Arafat's September 9, 1993 letter to Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, as part of Oslo I, Arafat stated that "The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security."
: Over the past five days, no one has been willing to work on the article, or to disagree with any facts in it. I have sent messages to various Arab newsgroups asking for info, and have repeatedly asked people here to offer a different point of view. No one, so far, has been willing or able to do so. I think that an article with a neutral point of view should describe the Palestinian's own beliefs, in their own words, without judgement. That is what the current article does. If anyone would like to improve it or add to it, that's fine. Some people think NPOV means that the views of one or two people should be presented as equally imporant as the views of the majority. That may be true in academia and philosophy, but not for an entry on how a government views its relations with another government. If fellow Wikipedians think that other points of view exist within the Palestinian Authority, that's great. Let thing bring forth their sources to improve the entry. I would be overjoyed to read such material. RK

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Statements and actions of Arafat and the PLO during the four years since Oslo I was signed have contradicted this recognition of Israel's right to exist in peace. Arafat and other senior PA officials have repeatedly made statements calling for the "liberation" of all of Palestine; and have continued to refer to cities within pre-1967 Israel as part of Palestine.

Arafat said on the PA?s[[Voice of Palestin] radio station in 1995, "The struggle will continue until all of Palestine is liberated." (Voice of Palestine, November 11, 1995)

In a 1995 speech, Arafat named two cities within pre-1967 Israel among those to which the Palestinian Arabs will be returning: "Be blessed, 0 Gaza, and celebrate, for your sons are returning after a long celebration. 0 Lod, 0 Haifa, 0 Jerusalem, you are returning, you are returning." (Ma'ariv, September 7, 1995)

Rashid Abu Shbak, a senior PA security official declared: "The light which has shone over Gaza and Jericho [when the PA assumed control over those areas] will also reach the Negev and the Galilee [within pre-1967 Israel]." (Yediot Ahronot, May 29, 1994)

The PA's Voice of Palestine radio last year broadcast a Friday prayer sermon by Yusuf Abu Sneineh, preacher at Jerusalem's Al-Aqsa Mosque, in which he asserted: "The struggle we are waging is an ideological struggle and the question is: where has the Islamic land of Palestine gone? Where is Haifa and Jaffa, Lod and Ramle, Acre, Safed and Tiberias? Where is Hebron and Jerusalem?" (Voice of Palestine, May 23, 1997)

Arafat and other PA officials have assured Arab audiences that the Oslo agreement is one phase in the PLO?s 1974[Strategy of Phases]?. The[Strategy of Phases]? was adopted by the PLO's National Council at its session in Cairo during June 1-8, 1974. Prior to the 1974 meeting, the PLO?s position was that it would never accept anything but the immediate destruction of Israel. At the 1974 meeting, the PLO decided to seek Israel's destruction in phases, by first establishing a small PLO state, then later seeking to conquer the rest of Israel. Point #2 of its 10-point 1974 platform declared that the PLO should create "a national, independent fighting authority on every part of the Palestinian land to be liberated." Point #8 explains that "the Palestine national entity, after it comes into existence, will seek to complete the liberation of the entire Palestinian soil."

In an interview with Egyptian Orbit TV on April 18, 1998, Arafat was asked about his decision to sign the Oslo accords. He replied: "In 1974, at the Palestinian National Council meeting in Cairo, we passed the decision to establish national Palestinian rule over any part of the land of Palestine which is liberated."

Various Wikipedians have hypothesized that these statements are deliberate lies, and that the real intention of the PA and PLO is peace.

In an interview with the Palestinian Arab newspaper Al Ayyam on January 1,1998, when asked his view of the Oslo agreement, Arafat replied: "Since the decision of the Palestinian National Council at its 12th meeting in 1974, the PLO has adopted the political solution of establishing a National Authority over any territory from which the occupation withdraws."

PA cabinet minister Abdul Aziz Shaheen told the official PA newspaper Al-Havat Al-Jadida (January 4, 1998): "The Oslo accord was a preface for the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian Authority will be a preface for the Palestinian state which, in its turn, will be a preface for the liberation of the entire Palestinian land."

Arafat has also compared the Oslo accords to peace treaties that Mohammed, the founder of Islam, signed and then later discarded. In the Palestinian Arab newspaper Al Quds on May 10, 1998. Arafat was asked: "Do you feel sometimes that you made a mistake in agreeing to Oslo?" Arafat replied: "No .... no. Allah's messenger Mohammed accepted the al-Khudaibiya peace treaty and Salah a-Din accepted the peace agreement with Richard the Lion-Hearted."

The Khudaibiya agreement was a 10-year peace treaty between Mohammed and the tribe of Qureish. After two years, when Mohammed had improved his military position, he tore up the agreement and slaughtered the Qureishites. Salab a-Din was the Muslim leader who, after a cease fire, declared a jihad against the Crusaders and conquered Jerusalem.

In an interview with Egyptian Orbit TV on April 18, 1998, Arafat declared that the Oslo accords are comparable to "when the Prophet Mohammed made the Khudaibiya agreement.. .we must learn from his steps.. .We respect agreements the way that the Prophet Mohammed respected the agreements which he signed."

Speaking in a mosque in Johannesburg, South Africa on May 10, 1994, Arafat stated that the Oslo Accord was akin to the temporary truce between Muhammad and the Quraish tribe: "This agreement, I am not considering it more than the agreement which had been signed between our prophet Muhammad and Quraish, and you remember that the Caliph Omar had refused this agreement and considered it a despicable truce...But the same way Muhammad had accepted it, we are now accepting this peace effort." (Ha?aretz, May 23, 1994)

The PA uses maps showing all of Israel labeled as "Palestine." Such maps appear on PA Television; in the offices of PA officials; in textbooks used in PA schools; and on the shoulder-patches of PA police officers. The significance of the use of such maps was pointed out by the Washington Post back in 1988, when the PLO applied for admission to the World Health Organization, and used the map of all of Palestin? in its application papers. The map "wipes out symbolically.. .a member-state" of the WHO, the Post remarked. (Washington Post, May 1, 1989)

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OK, let's think of a name for the article and start writing it! :-) --LMS
OK, let's think of a name for the article and start writing it! :-) --LMS

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