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Part of the Cimbri or Kimbern came to Prussia ( Old Prussi Land ) Cimbri or Kimbern lived in northern Germania on the Juetland peninsula, called Cimbric Chersonaise 2000 years ago . More than 100 years before the birth of Christ Kimbern/Cimbri????, Teutones and Ambriones went south and west to defend against take-over attacks by the Roman empire . A group of Cimbri went from Juetland along the Baltic Sea further east and lived in Prussia . King Widewuto/ Waidewut and his brother , priest (B)Pruteno lead a Cimbric tribe and ruled over the Gaue- lands of Old Prussi Land. The lands were named after the sons of king /reik Widewuto. or Waidewut .

Wide /Waid? - German for Wissen, knowledge, wit ( see Saxon chief Wittekind, Widukind ) Wut - German for rage, fury ( see Odin Germanic highest god ) Wut - as a positive force , as in Arbeitswut , determination to work

Wotan ,called Odin Or Oden is the North Germanic language, are all one and the same name for the German god Wotan Wuotan, Woden etc. Differences in sounds and later spellings are caused by the many different Germanic languages or dialects. D = T (Thueringer -pronounce it Dueringer) A=E, O=U , Y-I etc.

Wut and Rage are the German language words for fury, rage. Zu wueten in German means to rage. Wotan was as unpredictable as nature itself.

Wotan was a nature god as were all the ancient gods of people in the world, before christianisation, or taking on of other religions. Wotan was present everywhere and always in disguise. On his travels throughout the world he wore an all encompassing big blue coat . This was the Himmel or sky. He was present in water and all naturplaces were held sacred. Modern Germans still hold nature places sacred and each city has a city forrest where every evening or at least every Sunday city dwellers "go back to their roots", as many people in other places do too.

The Catholic church turned all Germanic nature gods into anti-gods . Powerfull papal propaganda and individual zeal of monks to stamp out all "heathenism" turned the Germanic god Wotan into a wild warring beast , Freya or Frigg into a witch , Old Prussian language god Deiw ( lat.Deus ,greek Zeus ) into Deiwel-Teufel , or devil .

For the months of the year the Roman names have prevailed. For the days of the weeks the Germanic gods were kept.

While Slavic people had completely different gods , the Polish word for water is Woda .


           An Old Prussi chief was named Warpoda/e  went to see the pope.

Warp - low German language for werfen - to throw ,High German sound shift P=F or PF Oda ,Ode - wealth, treasure (German Allodie, Kleinode ). On Saxon emperors Otto I, II, III 's coins

           the name was spelled ODO or ODDO .

           Old Prussian - Alt Preussen - used Wurf Keulen and Schlag Keulen , wooden throwing
           clubs and hitting clubs / maces . Prussians did not used metal swords , wooden clubs
           were deemed sufficient enough to do what is necessary and were not so final. Only
           later with attacks by other people did they have to take up swords .

Other Cimbri went to Italy and until the 20th century there were still people speaking a form of German Cimbric in Italy .

It is also assumed by historians and archeologists that Cimbri gave their name to Cimmerians at the Mediterranian Sea as well as ancient people in England .

H. Jonat


Samo is derived from a Germanic language word for same (as in the same way ,same , similar in ME, ON ,Gothic,IE ). Samen in German means seed. H. J.

This is interesting (to me, at least. I love etymology), but it does not help the article because the possibility that the name means 'same' or 'seed' is irrelevant to the content. It doesn't apply to Widewuto, nor does it tell us anything meaninful about a Frankish ruler ruling non-Franks. --MichaelTinkler


To: Michael Tinkler Samo was supposed to have married twelve Wendish wifes . At that time the Wends were still in Moravia. Look on a map and you will find Moravia west of the Vistula river, this was Magna Germania. These 12 Wendish wives after 622 lead me to believe that they were refugees from the Avars or some other group from further east storming Germania. Samo sought semi-independence from the western Franks . During that time Arabs also came in from the south west via Spain and Huns and Bulgars and what all else roaming wild.

Anyway, these twelve Wendish (as I read in some book from England) or Moravian wifes, named for the Morava river ,no doubt had children. These children had a German father and lived in Frankish/German? ruled land in Magna Germania. Therefore they were Germans. The Frankish rulers like Charlemagne , Louis, Arnold etc all ruled over that land, or rather the local rulers pleadged allegiances to the Frankish and German rulers. When a king/ emperor died, they often tried to refuse pledge of allegiance for the land held in lien (in Magna Germania) and wars ensued. samples: 983, 1002 , 1024 , 1410 .

First recording of Wends ( and of Jews) in the later Berlin area was ca 720 ( Spreewaner and Havellaner ). Names used were the old Germanic river names of the Spreha ( German: Spree) and Havila ( German : Havel). Tacitus recorded the river names, as known to the locals. No one read Tacitus until the writings were found again in the 14th century.

 Word meanings: Waner - woner is Germanic for a person or thing living in a space, such as German : Einwohner - inhabitants  or German : Wahn -obsession (crazy idea living in your head ). 

Old Prussians (Alt Preussen) had many Burgen , one called : wallewona. Wallewona - would translate to walls and inhabitants, therefore inhabitants living in walled fortifications (German : Wallburgen)

Prussians had three main nature gods : Perkunos , Pikullos and Potrimpos. ("Translate" those and see what you come up with ).

                                                           H. Jonat


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