Yo, LDC, I didn't mean to step on you. Let's cooperate. I want to make this page conform to the Wiki nature, and I could use your help. --
Ed Poor
I'm curious. What exactly is the difference between ID and the scientific theory of evolution then? Obviously that God is behind it, but in the realm of the physical are there any differences? In other words, if ID accepts mutation, followed by natural selection, resulting in speciation, and only adds the bit that God caused the mutation, does that pretty well sum it up? If so, then ID is basically the acceptance of evolution except for belief that God is behind it. --Dmerrill
- If someone who is as unqualifed as Crocker say I am may deign to answer ... (Oh, you were asking ME!)
- My understanding of ID is speciation means new species arise somehow. It doesn't specify mutation as the method. It does say there is evidence of intelligence at work, rather than random forces such as cosmic ray bombardment. I might be misusing the word 'speciation' though.
- Darwinists say that any of several natural random forces followed by a non-random process governs evolution. ID rejects random forces as the cause of new species arising and agrees that, once arisen, they are subject to the non-random process of natural selection.
- Confusion arises when Darwinists (sorry, it's just a handy word...no offense meant) imply that Natural Selection is both (a) the cause of new species arising and (b) the non-random process whereby successful species persist and unsuccessful ones perish.
- (Whew, hope that's halfway clear now.)--Ed Poor
Actually, Ed, you're more likely to know about this particular school of beliefs than I am,
so I'm happy to let you write most of this particular article, and will only edit things that
are clearly false. I've spent much of my life studying real science, so I'm not an expert on
the religious stuff. --LDC
- The reason I disagree with Ed so much is that I'm a scientist who grew up in the southern US. This means I was exposed to all of this stuff as a child, and I also have an interest in the history of science, which involves a lot of this kind of thing. Ed seems to have a somewhat limited scientific background, which is fine, but makes it difficult for him to hit the NPOV from the get go. GregLindahl
- I concede that hitting NPOV will be hard for me, inasmuch as I fail in my conscious attempt to seperate bias from real knowledge. I'm actually fairly good at detecting bias within myself, or I would never learn anything. But I'll rely extensively on you and LDC to point out my bias when I miss it. --Ed Poor
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