Wikipedia: Neutral point of view/Examples

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* Darwin's theory of natural selection is the best available explanation of the diversity of life we see today. - acceptable or not? (My answer - not; and my - yes. We should limit NPOV if we don't want to end with "Earth is considered to be round by majority, but some people claim it's flat")
* Darwin's theory of natural selection is the most widely accepted scientific explanation of the diversity of life we see today. - acceptable or not? (My answer - acceptable, even Creationists would have to agree with this statement.) (No they would not - see any creationist/intelligent design website or book. A creationist would argue that this is not NPOV. John Lynch) (Sorry, John, but any creationist who disagrees with the statement that evolution is "the most widely accepted..." is a liar. It is accepted, whether or not it happens to be true. Coverage of minority arguments and opinions is welcome here; dishonesty and deceit are not. --LDC). (Hmm. So what is the most widely accepted scientific explanation? Kind of depends on what you mean by scientific, but saying it's the most widely accepted isn't the same as saying it's true, or even plausible Verloren) I think the fact that scientific is in bold makes this NPOV. Perhaps being a scientific explanation or origins is the most improtant thing, or perhaps it is not. Certianly people will disagree on that subject.

* Darwin's theory of natural selection is the best available explanation of the diversity of life we see today. - acceptable or not? (For discussion, see Examples debate Topic 1)
* Darwin's theory of natural selection is the most widely accepted scientific explanation of the diversity of life we see today. - acceptable or not? (For discussion, see Examples debate Topic 2)

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Various cultures use differing standards of measurement. A statement such as "It is 500 miles from Los Angeles to Death Valley" irritates Europeans. The reverse irritates Americans. Write either "... 500 miles (800kms)..." or "...800 kms (500 miles)...'''

Measurements Various cultures use differing standards of measurement. A statement such as "It is 500 miles from Los Angeles to (wherever)" irritates Europeans. The reverse ("it is 800kms from Athens to wherever) irritates Americans. Write either "... 500 miles (800kms)..." or "...800 kms (500 miles)...'''

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The $ symbol is used by over 60 countries in the world. Generally $ means US$, but to always assume that irritates those people who feel equally entitled to use the symbol. Try to use US$. (Yes the symbol was invented in America, but you should have trademarked it if you wanted to keep it to yourself). Same goes for the £ symbol - use GB £ or GBP (or UK £ or... you get the idea).

Symbols The $ symbol is used by over 60 countries in the world. Generally $ means US$, but to always assume that irritates those people who feel equally entitled to use the symbol. Try to use US$. (Yes the symbol was invented in America, but you should have trademarked it if you wanted to keep it to yourself). Same goes for the £ symbol - use GB £ or GBP (or UK £ or... you get the idea).

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Try to avoid using expressions which are unique to your country, region, hemisphere.

Dates: Wherever possible, use the long date format (September 11, 2001). If you need to use a shorter data format, do not use the 10/4/01 format. To me this means April 10, to an American this means October 4. Use the medium format (Oct 4 or Apr 10)

Try to avoid using expressions which are unique to your country, region, hemisphere.

This is a stab at creating an example section to help distinguish neutral vs non-neutral writing. I created it because the actual "Neutral Point of View" page now has an awful lot of commentary on it and it is getting difficult to get much guidance. I have tried to glean my examples on the basis of the majority opinion on that page. Feel free to dissent.

I (MB) am cutting the debate off this page and moving it here. Links have been provided where necessary.

Facts vs Opinion

In general, facts are items that can be validated on demand in such a way that a reasonable person would accept the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

Easy ones - The following statements are legitimate statements of fact (or would be if I hadn't made them up):

The population of Springfield is 250 000 (1999 census)
Dogs have the scientific name Canis whatever.
In 1571, Galileo reported in his journal Canonicus ex post facto that "it really does taste like butter".
The earth goes around the sun. (Hey this one is true... and no flat-earth discussions now, please)

More difficult examples:

Abortion is wrong - opinion, not a fact.
The pro-life movement holds that abortion is wrong - fact, not an opinion.
God/spiritual energy/ (insert your pet concept here) exists. - opinion, not a fact.
Nietzsche spent much of his life arguing (among other things) that God does not exist - fact, not an opinion.

Even more difficult example:

Scientologists hold the belief that living cells have a memory. This is based on an erroneous interpretation of the work of Crick and Watson in 1955. - opinion, not a fact.
Scientologists hold the belief that living cells have a memory. This is based on an interpretation of the work of Crick and Watson in 1955. This interpretation has, however, been heavily criticised by notable cell-biologists such as (whoever) ... - fact, not an opinion.

(Oh, and I have no idea if the thing about Scientologists and Crick and Watson is true or not, just go with it for now).

Anti-Americanism exists in the world. This is due to a number of serious errors in American foreign policy, particularly with regard to Palestine. - obviously biased, but try this next one...
Anti-Americanism exists in the world. This is due to a number of perceived serious errors in American foreign policy... - this is STILL biased. Rephrase it as "The Society of Pole Sitters attributes this to..." or list all of the other major possible cause(s).

If you're stuck: Go with more detail than less. Do not present any viewpoint as "right". Your indecisiveness will be sorted out by the other editors, have no concerns about that.

What to do if you believe something is "ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, dammit!" You'll be pleased to know there is a forum for your profound insights and wisdom.

Test how you are doing...

Darwin's theory of natural selection is the best available explanation of the diversity of life we see today. - acceptable or not? (For discussion, see Examples debate Topic 1)
Darwin's theory of natural selection is the most widely accepted scientific explanation of the diversity of life we see today. - acceptable or not? (For discussion, see Examples debate Topic 2)

Geographical bias.

Same as above for farenheit and celsius, feet and metres, pounds and kilograms. Put either one first, but PLEASE put them both. The Wikipedia is not the forum to argue for one side or the other. Metric is used by the majority of the world. Imperial measurement is used by the majority of the English-speaking world (true! - go look it up). So just deal with it.

Try to avoid using expressions which are unique to your country, region, hemisphere.

An example: Australians use the symbol A$ all the time. To a non-Australian this could mean "Armenia", "Aruba"... use AUS$ (the internationally accepted three-letter acronym for Australia). Same goes for any other country. If you are going to use an easily mistaken symbol regularly and don't want to annotate it every time - put a footnote: "NB: $ refers to Zimbabwe dollars unless otherwise indicated"

Seasons. "The summer of 94-95" makes perfect sense to residents of New Zealand but will confuse Americans. Try to use month names wherever possible. Some people argue that if an article is about a specific region then this should not be necessary. However I tested this on some people and frankly - "summer" has a specific meaning for most people. To me it means "Christmas." Try to say June to August, and in the worst case, say "Northern summer".

Expressions: "Joe lucked out". To one person, this means Joe had some bad luck. To others it means Joe had some good luck. 'Nuff said.