BryceHarrington

Homepage: http://www.neptune.net/~bryce/ I work on the WorldForge? project, too: http://www.worldforge.org/

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Bryce, about your notes on HistoryOfEurope...I didn't want to put these there, since it is a summary page. I removed the bit about Alex great conquering Greece, since that was his father, and about other civilizations probably experimenting with governments, since all evidence suggests they did not. But all in all, I was thinking such developments really belong on a HistoryOfTheMeditteranean? page, since that is where the center of the action is, not Europe. Didn't want to impose, 'course...thoughts? -- JoshuaGrosse

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I don't think Roman and Greek history should be isolated from European history, since they're obviously so intricately tied. I'm not sure a HistoryOfTheMediterranean? page would be exactly what we need, but certainly something oriented to the ancient history of the western world would be good. I believe the topics already listed under HiStory? should cover that, though. Good catch on Alexander's father conquering Greece - I should have caught that.

I was thinking of Europe as a cultural centre, not as a continent, so that's why I left them off. The other way is better, since it gives a home to topics like Celts and megaliths. But I still think that the Romans and Greeks don't belong here. Yes, Greece and Italy are located in Europe. But the Greeks had much more to do with Persia than the interior, and the RomanEmpire? was as much African and Asian is it was European.

I really think the essential "region" these civs belong to is the Meditteranean. At the very least, this would give the Carthaginians a home too. Of course this has a lot of overlap with Europe, and they should refer a lot to each other; but anything said on Europe about Rome (and to a lesser extent Greece) is just going to be repeated in other regions.

Regarding other civilizations experimenting with other forms of government; well I guess I just wanted to point out some stuff Greece achieved, but without arrogantly claiming that no one else did too.

Ok. Greece does deserve credit, though, for being completely unique in developing democratic governments, formal mathematics, empirical science (to the extent that they did), and so forth. They also were unique in inventing vowels. :)

Anyway, the current page looks much better. The power of collaboration, ay? ;-)

Is very, very cool. I've noticed you've been doing a lot of work building infrastructure, and that's really very praiseworthy. Thanks for the help with this one.

To adequately summarize what is known about the History of Europe, I think we can agree that the page is going to get quite long. Maybe we should divide it up into some subsections like other pages have been. -- BryceHarrington

How's this for a primary division? AncientEurope? (pre-Roman stuff), MedievalEurope?, Rennaisance, and then a bunch of later stuff I'm less knowledgeable about. Closely tied to these would be HellenicCivilization?, RomanEmpire?, ByzantineEmpire?, and HistoryOfIslam?. A second split in terms of geographical regions - things like HolyRomanEmpire? - probably wouldn't hurt, and then things can grow as the will.