Wikipedia: Euphemism/Talk

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I think "urinate" is as much a euphemism as "derriere," and I don't agree that the words have 'the same meaning.' They have shades of meaning, as words are wont to do; they carry different connotations, and if they didn't, it wouldn't matter whether one said "ass" in court and "derriere" at home. Euphemisms are used because they are devoid of unwanted connotations. "Urinate" obviously is a longer term, but I think that that's not the description you're looking for: would "medical terms" be a better heading? --KoyaanisQatsi

"Tinkle" is a euphemism, "urinate" is not.

I don't think so. I think "tinkle" is a euphemism for "urinate," which is a euphemism for "piss," and that "make out" is a euphemism for "have sex," which is a euphemism for "fuck." I think since euphemisms are tied up in notions of politeness and propriety, and since propriety is not absolute but relative, certain euphemims can have euphemisms of their own. I guess a similar phenomenon would be that the code of conduct expected when in the queen's court is more rigorous than the code of conduct expected at a staff meeting, which is of course more rigorous than the code of conduct expected in a phone call to one's husband or wife. --KQ

Just checking: have any of you actually done any study of the (well-studied) phenomenon of euphemisms? Or are ya just guessing? :-) Shouldn't the examples reflect what rhetoricians/linguists know about the subject? My $0.02 as usual. --LMS

I'm just guessing. If no one else has said what I just said, then call me a rhetorician. :-) Surely you agree that what is taboo is not absolute. --KQ

But that taboos are not absolute doesn't prove my point. Apparently there is an opposite of a euphemism, which is most often called a "dysphemism" but sometimes called a "diseuphemism or deeuphemism," and so I think that the anonymous poster is correct. See for instance http://www.linguistlist.org/~ask-ling/archive-most-recent/msg04202.html and http://www.linguistlist.org/~ask-ling/archive-most-recent/msg04212.html --the most discussion I've found on it; most sites merely define it and move on. Merriam-webster has it that the word dates back to 1884.

But the existence of dysphemisms leaves it to someone to determine which words are the most accurate with the least connotation, to zero the balance, so to speak, and that's something I'll not attempt. :-D --KQ

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Apparently there is an opposite of a euphemism, which is most often called a "dysphemism" but sometimes called a "diseuphemism or deeuphemism," and so I think that the anonymous poster is correct. See for instance http://www.linguistlist.org/~ask-ling/archive-most-recent/msg04202.html and http://www.linguistlist.org/~ask-ling/archive-most-recent/msg04212.html --the most discussion I've found on it; most sites merely define it and move on. Merriam-webster has it that the word dates back to 1884.

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But the existence of dysphemisms leaves it to someone to determine which words are the most accurate with the least connotation, to zero the balance, so to speak, and that's something I'll not attempt. :-D

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I hope this page is at an appropriate level of (in)offensiveness. If anyone feels it is necessary to explain what the example euphemisms mean, I suppose it must be done. (Those taboo?s are powerful things,) -- Janet Davis

I'm not sure I agree with "longer words". If the word has the same meaning that the one not being used can you call it an euphemism?

Well, "urinate" is certainly more polite than "piss," isn't it? (Although perhaps in the strictest sense it's not a euphemism.) -- Janet Davis

Actually there are two rough opposites of euphemism, "dysphemism" and "cacophemism". The latter I think is generally used more often in the sense of something deliberately offensive, while the former can be either offensive or merely humorously deprecating. And yes, there is necessarily a lot of subjectivity involved, because connotations eaily change over time. "Idiot" was once a neutral term, and "moron" a euphemism for it. As is usually the case with evolving languages, negative usages win over neutral ones, so we had to come up with "retarded". Now that too is considered rude, so we have "challenged", and so on. A similar progression occurred with "reek/stink/smell/odor/fragrance"...I'm sure 40 years from now "fragrant" will be the vilest insult.

At any rate, a good question to ask is what is the purpose of an encyclopedia article on "euphemism"? I'm not as anti-dictionary-entry as Larry, but in this case I think it is clearly more appropriate to give an overview of the use of euphemisms, examples, history, etc., which is likely to be much richer than what one could do with a dictionary entry. --LDC