Wikipedia: Lucretia Mott/Talk

A couple of notes--"we were the first country" was replaced with "The US was the first country", since this is an international encyclopedia. I am curious if the US really was the first country to allow conscientious objectors; I would like to see a source on that. I also wonder if it is really true that only a few countries allow conscientious objectors. Does anyone have an actual list of countries that allow it? I was under the impression that the European democracies generally allow it, but I am not that well versed ont the subject. -- Egern

Thanks Egren. I was winging it on alot of that stuff and just now made the rounds of the Lucretia Mott pages. The Mott bio, in relation to Quaker historical context and the women's movement, was pretty accurate, except she died in 1880 and was the real "leader" at Seneca Falls, plus she was central to the movement until her death even when Stanton and Anthony were the out front leaders. One interesting tidbit, she opposed divorce reform, meaning she supported father's custody.

I was a conscientious objector during Vietnam and my father's side were Quakers going back to the original Quakers who settled here in the late 1500's, so I have a personal interest in this as well a public one as a "Masculist". I will look up the conscientious objector info. She was active in that especially, more so than I originally knew. QIM

"Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony are usually credited as the leaders of that effort"

Is that true? As I recall they hadn't even met each other in 1848. I've never seen Anthony mentioned in a Seneca Falls context. I like LM better than most of the feminists of that time, but I think she was more an abolitionist. Also was she the earliest? Were the Grimké sisters earlier? I mean as feminists not as abolitionists. My impression is that LM was not big on women's rights prior to 1840. And I think there were others but less influential. Frances Wright perhaps. I think Stanton and Anthony deserve their reputation as the founders because of the organised work they did, and because they were dedicated to the woman issue whereas others saw it as very much secondary to abolition work.

Also, Mott was one of those who voted against the resolution in support of women's suffrage at the 1848 convention I believe. Stanton was much more radical. I suspect they probably disagreed about more things than divorce reform. David Byron

Anthony was not at Seneca Falls, according to the Anthony Center for Women's Leadership webpage. -rmhermen