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Changed: 1c1
Suppose that 'exists' does have different senses, so that, if it could be defined (analyzed, explicated), one might define it for physical objects, for properties, for relations, for facts, for possibilia, etc.
Suppose that 'exists?' does have different senses?, so that, if it could be defined (analyzed?, explicated?), one might define it for [physical object]?s, for properties?, for relations?, for facts, for possibilia, etc.

Changed: 3c3
In that case, what does it mean to say that a physical object exists? One might try to fill in the blank in the following: "An object exists, if and only if, it ... ."
In that case, what does it mean to say that a [physical object]? exists? One might try to fill in the blank in the following: "An object exists, if and only if, it ... ."

Changed: 7c7
Here is a starting point for this assumption. What is existence constrasted with? There are different kinds of nonexistence. So it has been proposed that the existence of physical objects is an "excluder" concept, as it were a purely negative concept: an item is actually in the world, it is not fictional; it is real, not imaginary; it is an actual phenomenon, it is not part of a false hypothesis; and it is located at the present time, not just at a past, or a future time.
Here is a starting point for this assumption. What is existence constrasted with? There are different kinds of nonexistence. So it has been proposed that the existence of physical objects is an "excluder" concept, as it were a purely negative concept: an item is actually in the world, it is not fictional; it is real, not imaginary; it is an actual phenomenon, it is not part of a false hypothesis; and it is located at the present time, not just at a past, or a future time.

Changed: 9c9
Common sense would seem to have it, however, that there is one basic sense in which physical objects actually do exist, and that is as an object that belongs to the space-time system that is the world with which people are in direct contact. If one can bump into it, it exists. So one might boldly give this following definition:
Common sense would seem to have it, however, that there is? one basic sense in which physical objects actually do exist, and that is as an object that belongs to the space-time system that is the world with which people are in direct contact. If one can bump into it, it exists. So one might boldly give this following definition:

Changed: 11c11
This definition would seem to express a common sense notion of existence. Interestingly enough, though, only a few philosophers have given such definitions. [Bruce Aune], for example, in an introductory philosophy textbook, gives a definition much like this one.
This definition would seem to express a common sense notion of existence. Interestingly enough, though, only a few philosophers have given such definitions (unless one would wish to construe materialism as a theory of the meaning of 'existence' which it normally is not). But [Bruce Aune]?, for example, in an introductory philosophy textbook, gives a definition much like this one.

Changed: 15c15
There are many philosophers today, following Hume, Kant, Frege?, and Russell, who claim that existence is not a property, or that 'exists' is not a predicate. Typically, the discussions in which this claim arises are discussions of the existence of physical objects. So, for example, the Eiffel Tower exists. This is a true claim; what makes it true? One would like to be able to say that it is the fact that the Eiffel Tower has the property of existence. It seems that the claim asserts that existence is a property of the Eiffel Tower. Yet the philosophers listed--with qualifications we perhaps need not go into right now--deny that existence is a property. In fact, this is the common view among philosophers today.
There are many philosophers today, following Hume, Kant, Frege?, and Russell, who claim that existence is not a property, or that 'exists' is not a predicate. Sometimes they say that 'exists' is a second-order predicate (or "second-level" predicate); or they make other sorts of claims about it, such as that it is a unique sort of predicate. Typically, the discussions in which this claim arises are discussions of the existence of physical objects. So, for example, the Eiffel Tower exists. This is a true claim; what makes it true? One would like to be able to say that it is the fact that the Eiffel Tower has the property of existence. It seems that the claim asserts that existence is a property of the Eiffel Tower. Yet the philosophers listed--with qualifications the philosophical Wikipedian is encouraged to elaborate--deny that existence is a property. In fact, this is the common view among philosophers today.

Changed: 17c17
One might wonder why it matters at all whether or not existence is a property. Consider: if existence is not a property, then the concept of existence cannot be defined, or at least, not as it has been defined here. The foregoing definition of 'exists' is incorrect just because the definition does treat existence as a property.
One might wonder why it matters at all whether or not existence is a property. Consider: if existence is not a property, then the concept of existence cannot be defined, or at least, not as it has been defined here. The foregoing definition of 'exists' is incorrect, many philosophers would say, just because the definition does treat existence as a property.

Changed: 19c19
Kant wrote:
Immanuel Kant wrote:

Changed: 21c21
:By whatever and by however many predicates we may think a thing--even if we completely determine it--we do not make the least addition to the thing when we further declare that this thing is. Otherwise, it would not be exactly the same thing that exists, but something more than we had thought in the concept; and we could not, therefore, say that the exact object of my concept exists. If we think in a thing every feature of reality except one, the missing reality is not added by my saying that this defective thing exists. On the contrary, it exists with the same defect with which I have thought it, since otherwise what exists would be something different from what I thought. (Critique of Pure Reason, B627-8)
:By whatever and by however many predicates we may think a thing--even if we completely determine it--we do not make the least addition to the thing when we further declare that this thing is. Otherwise, it would not be exactly the same thing that exists, but something more than we had thought in the concept; and we could not, therefore, say that the exact object of my concept exists. If we think in a thing every feature of reality except one, the missing reality is not added by my saying that this defective thing exists. On the contrary, it exists with the same defect with which I have thought it, since otherwise what exists would be something different from what I thought. ([Critique of Pure Reason]?, B627-8)

Changed: 23c23
Suppose one listed out all the properties and relations of an apple sitting on a table. It is red, it has a stem, it is four inches wide, it is juicy, it is on the table, it is in a room, and so on. CONTINUE WIKIFICATION FROM HERE Kant says, then, once one has listed out all the properties and relations of the apple, one could try saying that the apple exists. But that wouldn't add any new property to the thing, Kant says. Therefore, existence is not another property over and above all these. So in other words, Kant argues as follows: a complete list of an apple?s properties would not be expanded by adding another property, namely existence; therefore, existence isn't another property over and above all the other properties.
Suppose one listed out all the properties and relations of an apple sitting on a table. It is red, it has a stem, it is four inches wide, it is juicy, it is on the table, it is in a room, and so on. Kant says, then, once one has listed out all the properties and relations of the apple, one could try claiming that the apple exists (or "is," as he says). But that, Kant says, does not add any new property to the thing. Therefore, existence is not another property over and above all these. So in other words, Kant argues as follows: a complete list of an apple's properties would not be expanded by adding another property, namely existence; therefore, existence is not another property over and above all the other properties.

Changed: 25c25
So -- does that mean that existence is not a property at all? Well, no. If one lists out all the properties of the apple, the list would include "being located in the universe with which we are in contact." That particular property just is what makes the apple exist. That property would, of course, be included in a list of all of the apple's properties; so then consider this claim of Kant's, that existence isn't another property over and above all its other properties. Well, that's right, it's not another property. But that by itself doesn't mean that existence isn't a property at all! So Kant's argument just doesn?t appear to prove its alleged conclusion.
Of this view, one might ask: does this entail that existence is not a property at all? It seems not. If one lists out all the properties of the apple, the list would include 'being located in the universe with which we are in contact'. An advocate of the definability of 'existence' for physical objects mightclaim that that particular property just is what constitutes the apple's existence. That property would, of course, be included in a list of all of the apple's properties; so Kant's claim, that existence is not another property over and above all its other properties, seems true enough, but that by itself does not mean that existence is not a property at all.

Changed: 27,33c27
Consider also how [John Hospers] interprets Kant's argument. Maybe Hospers can make Kant look better. To quote Hospers:

"If we say that a horse has a mane, a tail, four legs, and hoofs, we are attributing properties to the horse; but if we go on to say that the horse exists, we are not adding another property: we are saying that the thing we conceived as having these properties also exists. We are not adding to our concept of the thing: we are asserting a relation between the concept and the world."

Hospers says here that when we say that a horse exists, we aren't attributing a property to the horse; we are "asserting a relation between the concept," the concept of the horse, "and the world." That's what he says; but on further reflection, one can see that it's not quite right. To say the horse exists isn't to assert something about the relation between the concept of the horse and the world; it is to assert something about the relation between, well, the horse and the world! Namely, that the horse is in the world! And one can have a concept of a particular horse that exists, and that concept would have that horse located in the observable world; and one can also have a concept of a particular horse that doesn't exist, and that concept would have that horse not being located in the observable world. So again, Hospers' argument apparently isn't valid. It just doesn't prove that existence isn't a property. All that it proves -- and it does prove this -- is that existence isn't a different property from the other properties of a thing.

But the dialectic definitely doesn't end there. Much more can be said on both sides. To really get to the heart of why so many philosophers these days think that existence can't be defined, one would have to explore much more logic. Present time and space do not permit this.
The dialectic definitely does not end there; in fact, we have barely scratched the surface. Much more can be said on both sides. (And we invite ontologists to dive in and supply the missing details.)

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