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aristotle - my resources said that the eagle doesn't exist, its an urban myth... what are your sources? Mind you, I've got the street address and I'm flying to London tomorrow, so I'll check it out. :)- MB |
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... - my resources said that the eagle doesn't exist, its an urban myth... what are your sources? Mind you, I've got the street address and I'm flying to London tomorrow, so I'll check it out. :)- MB |
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I have 3 sources: # I have visited the Eagle a several years backs and read the plaque, # there is an article about "Pop goes the Weasel" on World Wide Words [1] and # on someone's notes from a pub crawl the story is confirmed [2] by yet another person who read the plaque. All internet sources confirm the address and the date of the music hall, which corresponds with the date that this song was first referenced in print in the 1950s with the 2nd version being acknowleged as having come from England, according to the World Wide Words web site I mentioned. Is this sufficient? -- Artistotle Fine by me - I just that I did look it up fairly thoroughly and found no confirmation, but I'm perfectly happy once we have some references. When there is doubt I think we should err on the side of suspicion as there are so many urban myths floating around on this topic. Oh and by the way, neither of your sources mentions the plaque. - MB I was not getting snippy, I was just trying to thorough. Not all sites are searchable by general search engines, even Google, and you do need to know the revelant sites (such as World Wide Words) for the subjects you are looking for. Anyway a search for "Pop goes the Weasel" plaque London pub finds the 3rd reference I mentioned in Google. As for the plaque it could have been stolen since I visited it but the 3rd source knew the detailed history of The Eagle, confirmed by World Wide Words, so I'm fairly sure that he read it off the plaque. -- Aristotle |
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The editor of the World Wide Web, a researcher for OED says this on the page I referenced earlier: :The first British mention of the phrase pop goes the weasel dates from an advertisement by Boosey and Sons of 1854 which described "the new country dance 'Pop goes the weasel', introduced by her Majesty Queen Victoria" (a puff to be taken with a large pinch of salt, we may assume). It would seem from the dates that the title was taken from the American publication of 1850. Essentially that what you have quoted the first was the first English account of the song, which appears to be inaccurate although authentic to the time period. The OED quotes the earliest English work in which the word appears and this should not be mistaken for it's exact meaning. BTW have you looked at N. & Q. (1905) 10th Ser. III. 492, IV. 209? |
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At this rate I recommend we set up a seperate page for all the information people want to compile about the nursery ryhme "Pop Goes the Weasel", given the interest. There is a lot of information we can put there such as different potential meanings of words, different versions of the lyrics and the address of The Eagle, or The Eagle Tavern, which is 2 Shepherdess Walk, City Road, London. -- Aristotle |
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