Wikipedia: Lithuania/Talk

Jesus, i read this again - who wrote it? Gintas Kaminskas by any chance? Lithuanian higher class dominated by Polish???? Damn, Radziwills were so dominated weren't they! Polonisation, once again, happaned not as result of state policy, but as result of constant contact with (higher at that time) Polish culture. I'd like to discuss that with author of changes, or i will change that to sounding more neutral, since this is strictly lithuanian, nationalistic, unrealistic, biased point of view. szopen

-- I would like to point, that ,,Polonisation of Lithuania was not effect of state policy, nor it was goal of Union of Lublin, that Jogaila wanted union with Poland as much as Polish lords, that ,,Western Lithuania taken by Poland in 1920 had majority of Poles who in in referendum voted to joining Poland (referendum was boycotted by Lithuanians, but even if it wasn't, that won't change results, and anyway, this article is _BIASED_ szopen from Poland

Before we go further, I would like to point out that the Annales Quedlinburgensis or Annals of Quedlinburg, are not imperial, nor even royal. They are monastic annals. Quedlinburg is a monastery. Remember Matilda, Abbess of Quedlinburg? JHK

Some Polish politicians claim the following problems present. Explanation why they do not hold in square braces
Ethnic minorities are discriminated. The discrimination is in several areas :

land ownership [owner should be citizen of Lithuania; most of polish people who permanently lives in Lithuania have citizenship - so no problem here]

: nice talking but the facts are different [what facts are different? polish has no citizenship? or what?]

access to education in native tongues [state funds schools where education is given in russian and polish languages; number of such schools roughly coresponds to number of people with russian and polish native languages; by contrast there are just couple of lithuanian schools in Poland] in fact they receive most money from Polish organizsation, at least according to articles shwoing here in press, since they receive money from Lithuanian govenrment lately and not enough szopen

: are there lithuanian children in Poland who cannot learn in their native tongue, and actually Polish schools are being closed in Lithuania [yes, there are lithuanian children in Poland who cannot learn in their native tongue; and about closing - lithuanian schools are closed too; and the only criteria is attendance in those schools]

access to native culture [there are tv programmes in Russian, Polish, Belorussian languages on national tv; there is Russian Theater in Vilnius; there are no restriction on books based on language they are published; so on...]
national and local government representation [elections are free; polish representatives are present in Seimas]

and changing voting districts just to leave Polish majority without representatives is OK ? [1) that do not affect local government; 2) as for representation in national parlament - polish districts ussually shows smallest participation in elections (which is not what you would expect from discriminated people)]

: according to what i read in Polish press, Lithuanian gvt changed borders of districts so region with Polish majority was divided and added to regions with Lithuanian majorities, so in effectc Poles lost representation in local government szopen

transcription of names and family names that are written in Lithuanian [please name the country there this is not a case]

in regions where 100% population is Polish they still have to call themselves with those funny endings in administrative offices; and the greatest Polish poet is not Mickiewicz but Mickiewiczius ??? [do you propose to use one name in local administration and another in national? What to do when papers go from one level to another? do you claim that lithuanian in Poland could achieve his last name MickeviÄ*ius written according to lithuanian rules? you still did not name the country there are no adaptation of foreighn names to local language]

: But in Poland, if your name is Mauricius, you will have that name in documents, not Mauricjuski, Mauricz or whatever. If you name is Schmidt, you are called Schmidt, not Szmid. While in Lithuania, they add an ending to name - that is, they are changing people's names!szopen

Quedlinburg was the imperial seat of the Ottonians and it also had a monastery H. Jonat

But aren't the Annals from the monastery? That monastery had an important connection to the imperial family (they supplied a series of abbesses), but it is incorrect to call it an 'imperial monastery.' Q. was an imperial residence - it's incorrect to see them as having one seat. And in 1009, Otto was dead.

The imperial belongs to Quedlinburg, but there is no article yet. An Ex president is still a president. H. Jonat

Well, no. 'Imperial' is often loosely applied to monasteries; we don't have to be so careless on Wikipedia. Once imperial does NOT equal always imperial. Under Henry IV imperial patronage shifted very decisively from Quedlinburg and Paderborn to Bamberg. Members of the Saxon dynasty may have remained in charge, but building and art patronage came to a screeching halt. The system by which, for instance, cities became Imperial Cities - a durable title which outlasted the reign of the individual emperor - or ministeriales became Imperial Knights is a much later phenomenon (14th century? Later than my period of expertise). And it doesn't matter who founds it - the name of the institution does not take on the term "Imperial". Bamberg is a nice example. The diocese and its cathedral was founded by Henry IV, but it doesn't really do that well with later imperial patronage. It would be incorrect to call it an 'Imperial Diocese' or 'Imperial Cathedral', despite its foundation. --MichaelTinkler

: Even in the case of Royal or Imperial abbeys, the annals are still recorded by the inhabitants and are as such ecclesiastic. {Also, (and these sources are pretty familiar to me) royal or imperial sources say so in the title.} The rest only meant that the royals in question got some say over who was abbot or abbess, and a cut of the takings Before the Pope. JHK