Achaeans/Talk

Hmmmmm. "The Achaeans were the people of ancient Greece." the people is too narrow when you have Mycenaeans and Dorians, both of whom were Greek-speakers, jostling the Achaeans on either chronological side. --MichaelTinkler.

Everything I have seen equates the Mycenaeans and Achaeans as one and the same people. We sure the Achaeans were late invaders? Btw, Greek civilization had already fallen apart by the time the Dorians showed up.

Well, something happened to the Mycenaeans, and some people still believe in invaders. I don't particularly, myself. --MichaelTinkler.

Right, but those people who believe in invaders believe in Dorian invaders, not Achaean invaders. The usual date for the Achaean migration is around 1600-1500 BC, before the Mycenaean city centres formed. I really think the page is wrong to draw the distinction it does, and will change it with your approval.

This is wikipedia! Just change it. I agree, anyway. --MichaelTinkler